Spoilers from Mikkos Route! AND SORRY WRITING SO MUCH
A lot of people seem annoyed at the "Bad ending" of Mikkos Route, but I think I have somewhat of a different take here, I personally don't like to attach to the past, I find it kinda toxic, so when I saw that an old best friend was out there in the romance options, I just avoided him and played every other route first and left Mikko for last, and as I got to know him first by the others routes, It kinda creeped me out how petty and obsessive he seemed to be, he's fixated on us, in a unique toxic way, and I kinda disliked him for that.
So when I played his route I couldn't help to see the red flags of someone who felt powerless, he had to move from home because of you, he lost all his friends because of you, and then as soon as you come back, he changes himself to please you, (you can even see his inner thoughts, he's really obssesed to please you!).
And from what I get from all the other routes, is that he didn't move on from you after all this years, and even if you didn't either, at least you're trying. He remembers every single detail of those days with you because he wrote all of those same details on a diary that he STILL reads years later, repeating all of those events like mantras, and despises you for not remembering those days as well as he does now. I was SO creeped out until the end.
And... since I played all the others routes first, I dettached from him as a character, but if you do that, you can start to perceive all this toxic form of attachment he's formed with the idea of you.
I really like the "Bad ending" because it makes a lot of sense for his character, you're kinda the Torulf on his life, and by choosing to re-attach to Mikko instead of moving on with the other routes and characters, you're awakening all this trauma that he had to endure, bringing the worst in him.
In my personal opinion, that's why both of his endings are bad, because the only way of giving HIM a good ending is by not choosing him on the first place.
Spectacular writing! Kudos to the creator for giving us the opportunity to get to know a character through other routes, instead of just writing him off or ignoring his existence, as many other writers would do.
For me the issue isn't that there isn't a good ending but rather that the aggressiveness of it was pretty out there. You're definitely right about the red flags though, especially when you consider the first bad end you can get in Mikko's route.
I don't completely agree that Arvo is his Torulf though. I guess from Mikko's perspective, sure. The shit that happened was like in junior high I think it was mentioned. While shit can carry with us I highly doubt that's the kind of trauma that would create such a sadistic method of dealing with shit. What's more likely is that something way worse happened afterward (the mentioned boyfriend maybe?). Then Arvo comes along and he tried desperately to cling to something positive but ultimately uses Arvo as an easy punching bag instead (Arvo is kind of a push-over).
It should also be noted that Arvo had tried to avoid Mikko for the most part. Sure it was ultimately his choice when the key goes missing but Mikko was the one who tried to reconnect first. I don't think it's fair to blame Arvo for relenting to reconnect, especially when he's clearly not good at seeing red flags. I could see why you would feel awkward about Mikko's route being a route but in Arvo's perspective at the choice, this is him reconnecting with a friend not choosing a romantic partner.
That said though. We don't know the details on other things and his behavior throughout are signs of a very unhealthy person. It will take a lot to turn the route around and have it not be toxic and if I were in place of Arvo I wouldn't even try after the blow up (And get the police involved in terms of the bad ending). I'm gonna say it, Mikko is a bad dog! Bad dog!
He isn't, there are passages that state outright that he's taller.
You must be confused because of the art where they are cozying up to each other next to a windowsill. That art is a lie.
I wish the arts in this VN were made by someone who actually played it, with at least some level of respect to the main style. As it stands right now, they are all completely detached from everythign else you see and read in the story, it's silly.
That's fair. The only passage I could find that I thought confirmed he was taller says, "he is just the right size for me to snuggle into myself comfortably." Which is a weird phrasing. I originally thought it meant that Arvo was snuggling into Lake, but it seems clear now that it's the opposite.
I don't know if something is wrong with the version i downloaded, but when i open the game files there are no sprites, backgrounds or .rpy files to speak of. Since i really like redrawing on paper singular sprites or CGs, i was wondering if there was any fersion of the game that has them in the game files. Could anyone help me please?
I don't know... I just finished the new Mikko play through, and without giving away too much, considering Mikko's mindset, his reaction is justified in a lot of ways. Although, I don't think his reaction was as visceral and concrete as I had been led to believe through several comments.
I mean it's a painful situation for certain, but it left me with more hope for the future and the power of change than anything.
It can't be, Mikko's route was not what I expected at all, it was beautiful, but I really wanted to stay with Mikko and in all the endings we didn't end well.
Please tell me this is not the permanent end of Mikko's route, that somehow they could be together again 😭
genuinely this awoke something in me in a good way i cannot stop thinking about this game 24/7- especially RUNE!!!! he's such a good character and i really am excited to see where his story and route progresses with Arvo!
I want to know why "I" didn't tell me why I chose to escape Mikko before, and whether he didn't want to see me after I knocked on the door, or whether my play was a bad ending? I really want to know if this can trigger a good ending. All my choices are in Mikko's favor.
As far as I know, the "good" ending is really just the one that didn't go horribly wrong, which depended on a choice earlier on in Mikko's route. You're good, it's just this day ended like that.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i'm fucking crying rn ;-; dude it's 1:30 in the morning why did you do this to meeeeeeeeeee! mikko's route is so fucking cool dude ;-;
It was confusing to me too, took a bit of browsing the comments here to figure out. If the route ends with a sunset scene and cuts to thanking the patrons, you got the better ending!
Don't overthink your choices too much, the good/bad routes are determined by events that occur before this update's release (0.32).
If you haven't played the Mikko update yet, listen to Dawn Chorus by Thom Yorke! It really sets the mood a lot more, and in my case gave more of an impact while playing!! I highly recommend it
Wow, i don't have words to describe how i feel after playing Mikko's path, it gives you hope, but realism at the same time, it really touched me, i can identify with many things, both of Mikko and Arvo, and including the song by Thom Yorke was truly amazing.
I must admit i cried, i think the message of that ending is to let go but not forgeting, to be sincere and living the moment, live each second you can with that person you love, and don't be afraid of telling them what you feel.
I dare to say that Dawn Chorus has changed me, the soundtrack inspires me to create music and gives peace.
Thank you so much for creating this game and keep it going, thanks again.
Okay so uh Miko have sad ending wich is rather dissapointing(in my opinion) but i guess there have to be one( but please consider doing good ending too)
I really wish they could be happy together :c
I love Biørn(i apologize if i writed IT wrongly) route, i dont know why but he reminds me slightly of myself( even fact that he Knows few words in Polish make's my hearth warm since its my homeland language) but his story is nice overall
I wish everyone a good day/evening/afternoon/night whenever you read it :>
It's not the end of the route, of course! Day 3 can end in one of two ways on Mikko route, and the one with credits is an actual end, while the other will be continued in the next updates.
I made both endings, and i think (hope) that this is the one who will be continued... i will not spoil the other end, but the credits aren't the same... and at least you two have talked
I'm a little confused. I'm pretty sure that the Mikko ending where you get the option to knock on his door is the "good" one and where it continues from and whatnot, but there are credits after that..? Are there just more credit-y credits on the "bad" end, or is that really where it continues from?
My favourite route so far is Rune's route, i love how wholesome it feels and i am so on-edge with the cliffhanger on day 3. I cant wait to see it continue i feel bad for rune so much
I know that none of the major plot points will resolve on day three—That would just be unrewarding as a reader—but y'all are stressing me out with the talk of Mikko's route... I haven't had time to play it yet, but I'm already sad.
Okay. Okay. Just went through MOST of the new Mikko stuff.
spoilers BTW
I really do and don't wanna know what happens when knocking on Mikkos door after the forest talk. Can someone who has knocked just say "it went good" or "it went bad" in the replies without any elaboration further?
Hey, after nocking Mikko's door nothing happens, he doesnt open the door and Arvo goes back to his room, the path finishes shortly after that, it's a sad ending tbh.
Quite a few versions back, I remember that if you chose to go on a walk with Mikko on day 2, you had the option to hug him when he was making music. Even if you were on a different route (in my case it was Rune's). But now it just doesn't let you do that. Is this a bug or an intentional decision? Xd
I believe that it was a slight oversight when configuring the walk on each of the routes where you can take the walk. It's possible that the devs forgot to remove that option for Rune's route, and just recently fixed it.
I've always wondered why I ended up on Bjørn's route immediately, but then I realized he reminds me so much of my boyfriend. 😹 Love this VN; the characters feel real and multi-dimensional. They are all relatable in some way. Really looking forward to the direction of this VN.
The game itself is simply amazing. Every character is well written and their interactions between each other feel natural, they are not perfect and that`s what makes them better. I really love this VN and appreciate authors for bringing to life this masterpiece, never give up on what you do, it`s amazing.
. .Could I get an explaination of what happens to Arvo after you decline Torluf twice? He seems to go into the woods, claiming that "he'll come back stronger". ..Is it possible that he's dead? Or missing? What would the other's reactions to this be? Would love to see a mod on this.
I love this visual noval quite alot, it makes me inspired to make my own. I truly enjoy the chacters and their interactions, I can't quite explain why this VN touches me the way it does. Ive read VNs for years and none leave me feeling the way this one does. Its butifull and poetic, I can't sing it's praises enough. Thank you to the devs who made this novel.
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Spoilers from Mikkos Route! AND SORRY WRITING SO MUCH
A lot of people seem annoyed at the "Bad ending" of Mikkos Route, but I think I have somewhat of a different take here, I personally don't like to attach to the past, I find it kinda toxic, so when I saw that an old best friend was out there in the romance options, I just avoided him and played every other route first and left Mikko for last, and as I got to know him first by the others routes, It kinda creeped me out how petty and obsessive he seemed to be, he's fixated on us, in a unique toxic way, and I kinda disliked him for that.
So when I played his route I couldn't help to see the red flags of someone who felt powerless, he had to move from home because of you, he lost all his friends because of you, and then as soon as you come back, he changes himself to please you, (you can even see his inner thoughts, he's really obssesed to please you!).
And from what I get from all the other routes, is that he didn't move on from you after all this years, and even if you didn't either, at least you're trying. He remembers every single detail of those days with you because he wrote all of those same details on a diary that he STILL reads years later, repeating all of those events like mantras, and despises you for not remembering those days as well as he does now. I was SO creeped out until the end.
And... since I played all the others routes first, I dettached from him as a character, but if you do that, you can start to perceive all this toxic form of attachment he's formed with the idea of you.
I really like the "Bad ending" because it makes a lot of sense for his character, you're kinda the Torulf on his life, and by choosing to re-attach to Mikko instead of moving on with the other routes and characters, you're awakening all this trauma that he had to endure, bringing the worst in him.
In my personal opinion, that's why both of his endings are bad, because the only way of giving HIM a good ending is by not choosing him on the first place.
Spectacular writing! Kudos to the creator for giving us the opportunity to get to know a character through other routes, instead of just writing him off or ignoring his existence, as many other writers would do.
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For me the issue isn't that there isn't a good ending but rather that the aggressiveness of it was pretty out there. You're definitely right about the red flags though, especially when you consider the first bad end you can get in Mikko's route.
I don't completely agree that Arvo is his Torulf though. I guess from Mikko's perspective, sure. The shit that happened was like in junior high I think it was mentioned. While shit can carry with us I highly doubt that's the kind of trauma that would create such a sadistic method of dealing with shit. What's more likely is that something way worse happened afterward (the mentioned boyfriend maybe?). Then Arvo comes along and he tried desperately to cling to something positive but ultimately uses Arvo as an easy punching bag instead (Arvo is kind of a push-over).
It should also be noted that Arvo had tried to avoid Mikko for the most part. Sure it was ultimately his choice when the key goes missing but Mikko was the one who tried to reconnect first. I don't think it's fair to blame Arvo for relenting to reconnect, especially when he's clearly not good at seeing red flags. I could see why you would feel awkward about Mikko's route being a route but in Arvo's perspective at the choice, this is him reconnecting with a friend not choosing a romantic partner.
That said though. We don't know the details on other things and his behavior throughout are signs of a very unhealthy person. It will take a lot to turn the route around and have it not be toxic and if I were in place of Arvo I wouldn't even try after the blow up (And get the police involved in terms of the bad ending). I'm gonna say it, Mikko is a bad dog! Bad dog!
wAiT!!?? LaKe Is ShOrTeR tHaN aRvO??!?!?!?
He isn't, there are passages that state outright that he's taller.
You must be confused because of the art where they are cozying up to each other next to a windowsill. That art is a lie.
I wish the arts in this VN were made by someone who actually played it, with at least some level of respect to the main style. As it stands right now, they are all completely detached from everythign else you see and read in the story, it's silly.
What passage are you referring to? I thought he was taller too, but reading through like the fifth time I'm not so sure now.
As it stands, I think the art is good.
Well I won't replay the entire Lake route again just to remember where exactly the game says that he's taller. But it definitely happened.
That's fair. The only passage I could find that I thought confirmed he was taller says, "he is just the right size for me to snuggle into myself comfortably." Which is a weird phrasing. I originally thought it meant that Arvo was snuggling into Lake, but it seems clear now that it's the opposite.
Nonono, there was something about his head being higher than Arvo's when they were standing together, or hugging, or something like that.
Woah, just tried out the bad ending of mikko's route. It is not at all what i expected
I don't know if I can bring myself to play it... I've heard some stuff, but I haven't gotten the up the courage to actually do it myself.
I dont want to spoil it, but i think it was unexpected. if you want to try that ending go for it, but yeah expect the unexpected
i was so frustrated
How did you get it? I don’t think I figured it out yet.
Edit: oops nvm I got it…
please please please i need more Rune content! im begging you guys
Umm. I get the same ending no matter what i choose to do at the end with the knocking. Is there a decision before it that affects it?
Oh. Okay thanks. I wont be changing the ending then. I dont need more pain.
Spoiler: Both endings are equally as bad. He put the word good in quotation marks for a pretty apt reason.
This is just a general question, but can you read the messages people post with their ratings?
I don't think so...? I could be wrong though.
I think that the creators can, but not others
Lake is a good boy, perhaps the goodest, but Jørgen is just a chill dude
tysm for making this! love to have a novel i can go back to that makes me go :3
I feel like bjørn is very much the, "I'm not gay............ For anyone but you," kind of guy and I'm here for that. I just want them to be happy. 🥺
Yes!! Ugh and I love him for it
Bjorn is best big boi
Fr fr 🥴
Are we ever going to have an update on Klaus? my favorite character hasn't been updated in so long😭
Can't wait his demons summons arc 😭
frrr, the picture of him in the main menu Got me Dying😭
can anyone explain the good ending to me cuz i don't know if i got it or not
If you got the sunset picture and a list of patterns, then supposedly it was the good ending. I loathe to imagine the bad ending.
i got the one where their in the woods and after the talk they had Mikko turns and runs, not sure which one that is, Thats how it ends
Did you ever get back to the guest house?
yes i think i did
And walk past mikkos door?
it says im unable to expand the zip file on the mac download?
In the newest update i heard 2 audio tracks near the end of mikkos route, are they in the soundtrack? or will they be added sometime?
I don't know if something is wrong with the version i downloaded, but when i open the game files there are no sprites, backgrounds or .rpy files to speak of. Since i really like redrawing on paper singular sprites or CGs, i was wondering if there was any fersion of the game that has them in the game files. Could anyone help me please?
I don't know... I just finished the new Mikko play through, and without giving away too much, considering Mikko's mindset, his reaction is justified in a lot of ways. Although, I don't think his reaction was as visceral and concrete as I had been led to believe through several comments.
I mean it's a painful situation for certain, but it left me with more hope for the future and the power of change than anything.
Definitely the, "good," ending. I Haven't been ballsy enough to play through the bad ending yet. Just heard about it.
That's what I heard. Crazy shiz man.
It can't be, Mikko's route was not what I expected at all, it was beautiful, but I really wanted to stay with Mikko and in all the endings we didn't end well.
Please tell me this is not the permanent end of Mikko's route, that somehow they could be together again 😭
I just finished his update and i kinda know what your feeling right now, i too feel sad on how this ended. 😭
genuinely this awoke something in me in a good way i cannot stop thinking about this game 24/7- especially RUNE!!!! he's such a good character and i really am excited to see where his story and route progresses with Arvo!
I want to know why "I" didn't tell me why I chose to escape Mikko before, and whether he didn't want to see me after I knocked on the door, or whether my play was a bad ending? I really want to know if this can trigger a good ending. All my choices are in Mikko's favor.
As far as I know, the "good" ending is really just the one that didn't go horribly wrong, which depended on a choice earlier on in Mikko's route. You're good, it's just this day ended like that.
SOPHIE LISTENING PARTY
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i'm fucking crying rn ;-; dude it's 1:30 in the morning why did you do this to meeeeeeeeeee! mikko's route is so fucking cool dude ;-;
It was confusing to me too, took a bit of browsing the comments here to figure out. If the route ends with a sunset scene and cuts to thanking the patrons, you got the better ending!
Don't overthink your choices too much, the good/bad routes are determined by events that occur before this update's release (0.32).
If you haven't played the Mikko update yet, listen to Dawn Chorus by Thom Yorke! It really sets the mood a lot more, and in my case gave more of an impact while playing!! I highly recommend it
I didn't know Thom Yorke had a solo project... 🥺
Wow, i don't have words to describe how i feel after playing Mikko's path, it gives you hope, but realism at the same time, it really touched me, i can identify with many things, both of Mikko and Arvo, and including the song by Thom Yorke was truly amazing.
I must admit i cried, i think the message of that ending is to let go but not forgeting, to be sincere and living the moment, live each second you can with that person you love, and don't be afraid of telling them what you feel.
I dare to say that Dawn Chorus has changed me, the soundtrack inspires me to create music and gives peace.
Thank you so much for creating this game and keep it going, thanks again.
Okay so uh Miko have sad ending wich is rather dissapointing(in my opinion) but i guess there have to be one( but please consider doing good ending too)
I really wish they could be happy together :c
I love Biørn(i apologize if i writed IT wrongly) route, i dont know why but he reminds me slightly of myself( even fact that he Knows few words in Polish make's my hearth warm since its my homeland language) but his story is nice overall
I wish everyone a good day/evening/afternoon/night whenever you read it :>
(Dev's please give Miko happy ending one day :c)
It's not the end of the route, of course! Day 3 can end in one of two ways on Mikko route, and the one with credits is an actual end, while the other will be continued in the next updates.
Sssooooo... i got the credits when I didnt knock.. so i have to knock to continue the route when the next Mikko update cones out?
I made both endings, and i think (hope) that this is the one who will be continued... i will not spoil the other end, but the credits aren't the same... and at least you two have talked
I'm a little confused. I'm pretty sure that the Mikko ending where you get the option to knock on his door is the "good" one and where it continues from and whatnot, but there are credits after that..? Are there just more credit-y credits on the "bad" end, or is that really where it continues from?
Never mind. I checked out the bad end and it's uh... Something...
My favourite route so far is Rune's route, i love how wholesome it feels and i am so on-edge with the cliffhanger on day 3. I cant wait to see it continue i feel bad for rune so much
I know that none of the major plot points will resolve on day three—That would just be unrewarding as a reader—but y'all are stressing me out with the talk of Mikko's route... I haven't had time to play it yet, but I'm already sad.
Okay. Okay. Just went through MOST of the new Mikko stuff.
spoilers BTW
I really do and don't wanna know what happens when knocking on Mikkos door after the forest talk. Can someone who has knocked just say "it went good" or "it went bad" in the replies without any elaboration further?
Hey, after nocking Mikko's door nothing happens, he doesnt open the door and Arvo goes back to his room, the path finishes shortly after that, it's a sad ending tbh.
Is there a good outcome?
Keo, the creator said it'll be another ending in further updates, that ending made me cry
Slightly off topic: try listen Rabinovitch-Barakovsky "Incantations". Very uplifting and exciting piece of music.
As baroque music enjoyer I'm feel slightly offended x)
Quite a few versions back, I remember that if you chose to go on a walk with Mikko on day 2, you had the option to hug him when he was making music. Even if you were on a different route (in my case it was Rune's). But now it just doesn't let you do that. Is this a bug or an intentional decision? Xd
I believe that it was a slight oversight when configuring the walk on each of the routes where you can take the walk. It's possible that the devs forgot to remove that option for Rune's route, and just recently fixed it.
Idk I hope they change it back because I feel bad for Mikko 😔💔
I've always wondered why I ended up on Bjørn's route immediately, but then I realized he reminds me so much of my boyfriend. 😹 Love this VN; the characters feel real and multi-dimensional. They are all relatable in some way. Really looking forward to the direction of this VN.
This game is absolutely stunning. love the characters, they all seem fleshed out. I cant wait for the coming updates!
The game itself is simply amazing. Every character is well written and their interactions between each other feel natural, they are not perfect and that`s what makes them better. I really love this VN and appreciate authors for bringing to life this masterpiece, never give up on what you do, it`s amazing.
. .Could I get an explaination of what happens to Arvo after you decline Torluf twice? He seems to go into the woods, claiming that "he'll come back stronger". ..Is it possible that he's dead? Or missing? What would the other's reactions to this be? Would love to see a mod on this.
Real time talk, people... Mikko lovers do you try to include Mikko in the lunch conversation on day one or do you let him adjust to the crowd?
I try to include him
I love this visual noval quite alot, it makes me inspired to make my own. I truly enjoy the chacters and their interactions, I can't quite explain why this VN touches me the way it does. Ive read VNs for years and none leave me feeling the way this one does. Its butifull and poetic, I can't sing it's praises enough. Thank you to the devs who made this novel.
Just got the soundtrack,
been playing this every update for a couple months now and all i can say is it is THE best VN i have ever played through <3
Knowing Mikko loves the best track on Anima, man
I already was 180'ing into liking him but now im just absolutely in love. Great music taste
Is there really no Travis route
Sadly I don't think so